From owner-svn-ports-head@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 15 08:17:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A08F368D; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.carlostrub.ch (319.ch [88.198.108.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AE3E280A; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-st.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: cs@carlostrub.ch) by mail.carlostrub.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 792821B5291; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: quarterly branches and transition to post-pkg_* [was: svn commit: r364739 - in head: . sysutils sysu [...] X-Powered-BY: OTRS - Open Ticket Request System (http://otrs.org/) X-Mailer: OTRS Mail Service (3.3.7) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:17:00 +0200 Message-ID: <1408090620.414581.688603339.133023.2@c-st.net> To: marino@freebsd.org Organization: Carlo Strub From: Carlo Strub In-Reply-To: <53EDA67E.7090206@marino.st> References: <53EDA67E.7090206@marino.st> <53ea6d76.6eb9.5599e7c9@svn.freebsd.org> <53EA6EBB.2010802@marino.st> <53EA7155.4060606@FreeBSD.org> <53EA7416.5080008@marino.st> <88E432AA-8DC7-4C8A-B530-C75AF32952AF@adamw.org> <20140813074515.GB16368@FreeBSD.org> <53EB19F9.4040803@marino.st> Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, danfe@FreeBSD.org, bdrewery@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:17:10 -0000 15/08/2014 08:22 - John Marino wrote: > On 8/13/2014 09:55, John Marino wrote: > > On 8/13/2014 09:45, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> [*] Well, there are quarterly branches if one wants it to feel like De= bian > >> stable without the quality control; IMHO they are of no use and sh= ould > >> be ignored altogether. > >=20 > >=20 > > In concept the quarterly branches are a good idea. Execution is a > > different matter. > >=20 > > #1 issue: There's no portsnap with quarterly branches > > #2 issue: backporting fixes to quarterly branch, the process is a PITA > > #3 issue: There's no basic integrity check (e.g. freeze) before branchi= ng > >=20 > >=20 > > We have a huge problem looming: The pkg_* tools are going to be removed, > > maybe as soon as 1 September. > >=20 > > I think the following should happen: > > 1) A version of portsnap be modified and added to the ports tree before > > then, a version that is quarter-branch capable > > 2) Waiting until 2014Q4 before removing pkg_* tools, which means at > > least wait until Oct 1. > > 3) Encourage everyone that has no intention to move to pkgng immediately > > to switch to the 2014Q4 branch > > 4) Maintain security updates to 2014Q4 branch for 6 months instead of > > the normal 3 months > > 5) Get the updated portsnap into base > >=20 > > And eventually make quarterly branches the norm and working on head "at > > your own risk". > >=20 > >=20 > > Right now I see no plan for the post-pkg_* transition and the absence of > > one is pretty scary. You guys should consider my proposal above or > > something similar. > >=20 > >=20 > > John >=20 > Should I re-post this in developers@? > Or does everyone think providing an outlet for those that can't adjust > to pkg_* tools removal by 1 Sept is unnecessary? >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 I agree on one thing with the poster: it would be nice to have portsnap doi= ng also quarterly branches. Apart from that, I think the current set-up is = very good and, honestly, patching a quarterly branch is easy (for those who= don't know yet, please use the script in Tools). Carlo=