From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 29 20:23:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7A81562F for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA06803; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:53:12 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA55093; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:53:08 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:53:07 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Len Huppe Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Dominic Mitchell , David Scheidt , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shell wars (was: What to tell to Linux-centric people?!') Message-ID: <19990730125307.X93194@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990727125231.A66520@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> <19990727191738.A8427@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19990728111853.K66861@freebie.lemis.com> <19990728073305.A9956@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19990728154207.V66861@freebie.lemis.com> <19990728185656.A11730@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <37A11765.A1F89957@execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37A11765.A1F89957@execpc.com>; from Len Huppe on Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 10:09:25PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 29 July 1999 at 22:09:25 -0500, Len Huppe wrote: >> * Greg Lehey (grog@lemis.com) [990728 10:20]: >>> On Wednesday, 28 July 1999 at 7:33:05 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> >>>> Because that option doesn't exist under my pdksh 5.2.14? >>> >>> Bingo! So it's not as good after all. >> >> *bwerk* >> >> Can't believe you asked a trick question Greg... >> >> >> >> That's not fair >> >> >> >> =) > > This is getting to be quite amusing. The camps are digging themselves in for the > inevitable showdown over who's shell is better. Who will win the great shelling > bee? Will it be a battle of wits or a bucket of bits? > > But seriously folks. I have taught the basics of Unix to several friends and > coworkers and they all asked me the same question. I'm sure that most of you are > asked the same thing as well. I always tell people that choosing a shell is the > same as choosing any other tool. You use the one that will work best for you. > > Coming from a Linux and NT background, I feel comfortable working with Bash. > It's better than what NT has, I think that's one thing which applies to any of the shells we've been discussing. > and it has more functionality than I'll ever use. As far as its > capabilities as a programming language, I would much rather use Perl > for that. If I write all of my user-land scripts in Perl, it won't > matter which shell each user prefers. > > any rebuttals? If it works for you, go with it. I've found this discussion interesting enough that I've made the switch from bash to zsh, which doesn't have one of the more irritating bugs in bash: when working in a Microsoft file system with these brain-dead directory names with embedded blanks, bash goes completely crazy, while zsh is fine. I've got zsh configured (which takes far too long, btw. The port maintainer should add some .zsh* files with typical configs) to the point where it can replace bash, and I'll learn the finer points as time goes on. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message