From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 15:30:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A491D9CE9ED for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825B71648 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7FB1A9CE9EC; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4BF9CE9EB for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x233.google.com (mail-ig0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51DE51647 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by igbkq10 with SMTP id kq10so15153418igb.0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vtou93CV/gwiO7c8Sj48NWYVkuiH274ZLEilXaHrPis=; b=RCfuzU61AMCb/7gfAFFnobPYhrGIOO7/DU4JCJYs8Vc1Fx6HgZrEEiuJ+OZxeHqqm2 bbKoYfruEY7F98tCbdlPmwVqGbBR0n9HkDt4u42vk5nCqK5tV0uuhLHewl087mbj9gsA GJwK0Gj83YvvjFNFH+HYuZWlQvurPNLQmblZCHmD27Yq0Kkv8JtyRfuAhbL2LXH1LTTV xRInUvN2P8xcpvXiY/CAv2ZXwOUt9HkCFjLX5oPFLRXWZrSx2gdB7CYwrDXngNLMYNoy /TL+upncoCfQFj+z5T1W0Z9OxqV78NV6hdjUtP6nB/R1+D3TaHTQMxUXkJV4XuT4xXBy NtJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.243 with SMTP id t19mr7181833igr.22.1442503800790; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.28.208 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150917121526.71906673@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> References: <55FA7324.5010603@icloud.com> <20150917121526.71906673@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:30:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates? From: Adrian Chadd To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: "Lundberg, Johannes" , Andreas Nilsson , Anders Bolt-Evensen , "current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:30:01 -0000 Nope, very wrong. The real answer is this: * FreeBSD cares about backwards compatibility support and supporting older releases. So the xorg team in freebsd has to do a few things: * update the drm2 code in freebsd which required updating the linux layer - dfbsd, openbsd skipped ahead by just doing this step first, rather than trying to BSD-ify drm2; * support freebsd stable branches (-10, and until recently -9 and -8 too..); * have one set of packages that works on all of them. The linux ecosystem here moves very quickly, and BSD volunteers are stuck trying to provide free support for older releases. Me, I'm a "screw it, just support -HEAD, let the -stable community sort it out" but I'm luckily not in charge of that. :) It's coming along. They're just trying to do it all without breaking existing stable users - this deserves massive thanks on their part. -adrian