From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 10:56:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F69A16A4CE; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:56:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pastinakel.tue.nl (pastinakel.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A881343D53; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:56:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: by pastinakel.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 40) id 746EA14BDCB; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:56:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by pastinakel.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4A514BDC2; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:56:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j24AuqKK011109; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:56:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:56:52 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Garance A Drosehn Message-ID: <20050304105652.GB742@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Stijn Hoop , Garance A Drosehn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200503031839.15265.jesse@wingnet.net> <12498610.20050304062450@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on pastinakel.tue.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=6.3 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /boot like linux! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:56:55 -0000 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:15:00AM -0500, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > I have run with softupdates on for '/' on all my systems, for > a few years now. It has not caused me any problems that I > know of, but then the way I define my partitions is probably a > lot different than what most people do. >=20 > If we thought that softupdates made it *significantly* more > likely that users would *lose* data, then we would not turn it > on for any partitions! Anthony's probably confusing softupdates + write caching on modern ATA disks; the last undermines some of softupdates' fundamental assumptions (ie the drive lies about data being written to disk) such that it is indeed more likely in the event of a powerfailure that data is lost. Then again, write caching on modern ATA disks without softupdates also is not really safe; so the win of turning off just softupdates is not that big. --Stijn --=20 There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are 'Why are people born?', 'Why do they die?', and `Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy" --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCKD70Y3r/tLQmfWcRAs9uAKCwpRIMdRGLOqYOI1KMP+QLt159RQCeP4jV pnOUdixftGr6SpfDG3db6vg= =NXuH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24--