From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 08:24:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7884A106564A for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpa.nu) Received: from nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3888FC1A for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpa.nu) Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.188.162.219]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090216082406.THCK3101.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:24:06 +0000 Received: from areilly.bpa.nu ([124.188.162.219]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090216082401.DSEF7357.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@areilly.bpa.nu> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:24:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 76721 invoked by uid 501); 16 Feb 2009 08:23:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:23:31 +1100 From: Andrew Reilly To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20090216082331.GA74847@duncan.reilly.home> References: <20090215223428.GA74071@citylink.fud.org.nz> <4998D027.5030501@protected-networks.net> <1234752963.42927.171.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20090216061856.GD70145@duncan.reilly.home> <1234765678.42927.191.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1234765678.42927.191.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.499922A1.006D,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: Michael Butler , current@freebsd.org Subject: hal care, feeding and integration (was Re: USB2 and USB mice) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:24:08 -0000 On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 01:27:58AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > The FreeBSD GNOME Team maintains a user-level hal FAQ at > http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html . We don't have any I've found that one, and must read it again, as reading it did not result in me being able to mount a CD-ROM (I have submitted a PR with the copious output requested on that page). The caveat about GEOM labels with spaces: does that apply to CD-ROM images with a space in the label name? That appears to have been squashed out at the GEOM Label stage, but it's not something that I can do anything about: the CD-ROM is what it is. > FreeBSD-specific development docs. However, the hal spec at > http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html is a good > starting point. That looks like exactly what I was looking for, thanks! I'll give it a good read. > > Also, is there a FreeBSD hald-meister, whos job it is to ensure that hal > > continues to reflect up-to-date FreeBSD capabilities and mechanisms? > > That's me. I'd really appreciate help as I don't have all of the > requisite hardware or expertise in all of the subsystems. For instance, > we're completely lacking SD/MMC, firewire, and printer functionality. I've got a firewire external drive and a firewire cardbus reader, which could be useful for testing? The drive seems to work fine from /etc/fstab. Haven't tried to get hal to use it, yet. Haven't tried the cardbus reader (mostly use that on my MacBook.) > Some of this has been posted on FreeBSD's idea page for some time. I'll have a look, thanks. >From an overall philosiphical perspective, is hal something that we're going to be able to get comfortable with, as Unix admins? Is it a piece of infrastructure that has just been missing from traditional Unix, or does the move for Xorg and Gnome to require it mean that those projects are "doing it wrong"? If the former, do you see a time when we'll want a pure-BSD version that just ships as a standard part of the base system, or will it always be a port? Cheers, Andrew.