From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8049416A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF1043D4C for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 11714 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 23:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 23:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 8942 invoked by uid 89); 28 Feb 2005 23:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 23:29:41 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0686F114DD; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:24:17 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:24:16 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-ID: <20050301012416.45ac6f11@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:20 -0000 On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:01:26 +1030 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > >> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > >> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > >> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > > and also function as a middle button. > > Let me count the ways... > > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's > not much use. The second wheel in Opera and Sylpheed-claws doesn't work, but in KDE apps it does. > 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own protocol, > and I have a number here which I can't enable. I guess you don't use cheaper models :) this seem to be easier to setup this days. > 3. They're an ergonomic disaster. The wheel that functions as a > middle button is in the wrong position for this function. It > should be about 15 mm further towards the finger tip. In its > current position, you have to bend your middle finger to touch it, > and then you have to be careful not to turn the wheel (unless it > isn't enabled, in which case it's not a problem). > > 4. In addition to being in the wrong place, the spring on the middle > button is usually too heavy. The only mouse which I can use both wheel and middle button is a cheap A4Tech "Optical GreateAye WheelMouse" WOP-35. All Genius I've tried suffer from what you say above. A few years ago there was a NetMouse or something (from Genius I thinks) which had a 2-position button for scrolling in-place of a wheel, pressing that button's ends was more economical for scrolling that turning the wheel; unfortunately they don't do it anymore. Since this mouse has two more buttons on the sides I was thinking of taking the time to find out how to map them to page up / page down (or better scroll-up / scroll-down) or to move the middle-button click on one of them. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user"