From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:33:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AD716A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D0113C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.232] (showcase.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.150]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A91154EB3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:05:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <474AFC8B.3080608@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:04:11 -0600 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eBoundHost@cs.okstate.edu:Artur References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> In-Reply-To: <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:08 -0000 Written by eBoundHost: Artur on 11/26/07 10:05>> > This has nothing to do with anything that I'm saying. Listen, my > grandmother also has some interesting things to say but you don't put > her name on the front page of the Fortune program because it's not > appropriate. Same thing here. Just not an appropriate forum. I'll bite once. The reason your grandmother's name is not there is not because of appropriateness, it is because of _pertinence_. She's apparently not historically important, nor is she historically controversial. Hitler as an example is quite obviously very pertinent, given the widespread post WWII paranoid censorship fever that deems anything related to Hitler, Nazism, and even to some extent Germany itself to be controversial and thus taboo and off-limits, regardless of content, and that this fever has already specifically reared its head in the fortune file's history causing a similar bikeshed argument that wound up in the core team's intervention. I can understand your point that you'd like the reference to be less specific ("don't put something in the offensive list because you find the source offensive"), but at this point the motivation still seems to be "I'm scared of reading 'Hitler'", and because of that I am opposed to changing the page. Quite frankly, the man's been dead for over fifty years. I think we can safely mention his name with reasonable assurance that he won't jump out of a dark alley and boogeyman us to death.