From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534CE16A4E1 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F27E43D7C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9462DA567E; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1.internal ([10.202.2.210]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 Received: by web1.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A473126F8; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1157986343.20359.270635157@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: giz5CbpGD/3x/Nxq6nRMcWYQ5jp8Pj3XUpsnDSk2riRY 1157986343 From: "Jud" To: "Jonathan McKeown" , "freebsd-questions" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> In-Reply-To: <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:53 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200, "Jonathan McKeown" said: > On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: > > everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a "better" (meaning, > > at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) > > installer would be nice > > Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical > environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different > things > to different people, too. [snip] > Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to > configure > the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is > done > from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the > point > where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc. > From > my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that. Yes, I meant "at least to many folks" literally - there are many people for whom a graphical installer would be overcomplication. I personally like the "The BSD Installer" ; it just happens to suit the way I install a system in that it makes available most of what I tweak and I don't use most of what it hides. I wish the Summer of Code project to adapt it for FreeBSD installation ( were more alive than it appears to be. Jud -- "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams