From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 02:00:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03CE1065687 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992AB8FC2B for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D0034559B2; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:00:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02214-03; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B752434559A5; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:00:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E7434559A2; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:00:23 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:00:23 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Adam McGreggor In-Reply-To: <20100721212515.GL28385@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> Message-ID: References: <20100721203253.GK28385@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> <20100721212515.GL28385@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS Control Panel to manage FreeBSD jails ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:00:25 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Adam McGreggor wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 02:15:43PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> Was there something wrong with webmin? > > I'd rephrase that to is there anything *right* about webmin. > > *hate*, *hate*, *hate*. > > no histories/versioning, straight edits, often-run-on-default-port, > lets-one-change-things-without-understanding-why-it's-a-bad-thing, and > so on. 'k, I wouldn't go to the extent of 'hate', but, at least when I looked at it way back when, there is no concept of a 'central console' ... or has that changed? Right now, I have one console that everyone logs into to do things (and one to maintain / upgrade / debug), while with webmin, I would have hundreds of them ... and I'd still need seperate solutions for, say, support tickets ... If that is a solution for you, then something like DTC will far blow away webmin ... its a nice clean interface, includes billing, etc, etc ... ... but again, you are talking about hundreds of installs that need to be maintained / upgraded / debugged ... With my current system, although it doesn't have all the features that I'd like, if I fix a bug that one client reports with the system, I fix *all* clients ... Here is some screenshots of what I mean: http://www.hub.org/~scrappy/ams/ ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org