From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 26 00:58:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAC716A484 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBFD13C481 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1338166nfc for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:58:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VwSDoWzaa/cZ/AiF/oWEUz5UqeBo2JJOp/7If+GYPSTOyk7B9FhRD25mzRUdrWeemXYmB9SLuzHoOtOfYbeMbK0C5y3H3ahoO0xOTNrOxyOKx+bhp7v7kelEZW4Q3H8V1AAVM71E+Q9KubLdGSvXN/DHDn/9xB9UaNUtwvAjm7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fw/fdvSyhOlbDW+tUH5Wjy4HK7A0bnB/temg6USgG4bfGCUlh7fvNkvR9xGWiPhR5Duhn6+mMmFDp+kAQ1XxYPGzgXq1dw6yD5CWfaCR6IdSMKin7bx1BRf6PGHlxKxkdIWplKlvu8h4pPbFdpZOyRff350c9WTRgy4JcTRVFNc= Received: by 10.78.81.20 with SMTP id e20mr394051hub.1172451491654; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.17.18 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:58:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:58:11 -0800 From: "Jeff Mohler" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45E0F697.2030005@allcaps.org> <002001c758a1$a3ed10f0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <45E12693.9050206@hier7.com> <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Chris Slothouber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:58:14 -0000 Oh ya..i agree. I was being a futurist, not a realist. On 2/25/07, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Slothouber" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Lentvorski" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:38 PM > > > Subject: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? > > > > > > > > >> Can we please get the FreeBSD torrent tracker and/or server back? > > >> > > >> (snip) > > >> > > > > > > Nobody pays the mirrors for their bandwidth. They are hosting and > > > paying for the bandwidth out of the goodness of their hearts. > > > > > > Nothing is stopping you from setting up your own torrent server on a > big > > > fast > > > pipe that everyone else can use, and not pay you for. > > > > > > I don't know for sure how other ISP's do it but we definitely use > > > bandwidth limitations on the servers we host, customers that pay a lot > > > get a lot, customers that pay less get less, and the freebie servers > > > get whatever is left over after the paying customers have had their > fill. > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > I would suspect if you examined the financing scheme used for the > Linux > > > download servers you would find that it is quite different than > FreeBSD. > > > > But isn't the whole point of peer to peer file distribution to > > *distribute* the bandwidth requirements to the point that the costs > > involved for each of the individual peers is trivial but the client > > receiving the file still obtains full speed of a direct download? > > Most of the time the way peer-to-peer filesharing is used, the point is to > hide the sources of the streams, in order to distribute illicit material. > > What your talking about only works if you have a large group of FreeBSD > volunteers > that are willing to run the torrent servers. Let's assume that only 0.01% > of any > population group would step up to the plate to offer a torrent > server. Well > I can see a Linux torrent network working because Linux has an order of > magnitude > greater number of users than FreeBSD. But I think you would find it > impossible > to recruit something like 1000 FreeBSD users to step up to the plate and > offer a torrent server. The population numbers just aren't there. Worse, > the > initial people that offer the server are going to get the brunt of the > load > and > you can't give them any guarentee that your going to be able to recruit > future > torrent servers to lessen the work on them. > > Like out-of-control-broadcating on an Ethernet nework, sometimes in > networking > things just coalesce out of nowhere when the network gets large enough. I > don't > think we have enough FreeBSD users in the population to depend on things > like > this just appearing by themselves. > > FreeBSD came to the "grow big or grow well" crossroads many years ago and > took the "grow well" path. Linux took the "grow big" path. It is very > much > like > what happened to MacOS and Windows. One grew big, the other grew well. > Today, though, neither can really change. FreeBSD can no more displace > Linux > in terms of numbers and in terms of newbies using it, than Linux could > displace > FreeBSD in terms of being able to be usable for commercial products, or > displace > FreeBSD in terms of being able to collect the absolute best developers in > the > industry. I think the Open Source world is much better off for this > happening since > it gives more different choices for the consumers, but by the same coin > your > going to be frustrated if you try to make FreeBSD look, walk and talk just > like > Linux. > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >