From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 6: 5:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6650337B405; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 06:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010721130527.XPGL13241.amsmta06-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:05:27 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LCp8f08447; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:51:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:51:08 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Andrew Boothman , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010720 16:51], Alexey Zelkin (phantom@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >Do you propose me to 'rm -rf /' all our FreeBSD desktops here and >replace it with Linux because FreeBSD was not designed to serve us >as it did for last few years ? You read more in my words than I said. >I'm always using FreeBSD as server platform, but nothing stops me from >using it as desktops also. I know, I use it as a desktop system as well, but the fact remains it is made for servers, everything hints at it. >Maybe some time in future FreeBSD will have new make knob to build >"not overengeneered" version of "world", i.e. (make DESKTOP_ONLY=YES world :-), >but now I don't see a reason to stop people who attempts to make FreeBSD >(code or documentation) better for end users (not experienced admins only). That is the issue. Is that document written for the end-user or for an administrator? Both sets of documentation differ wildly and should be treated as different documents (and yes, I am all in favor for splitting it off to address this). This effectively means that the current handbook is trying to address both and in my opinion utterly fails. If Murray wants to do the end-user handbook, more power to that initiative, but I think it will be a dumb choice to ignore the score of people who we have helped in the past, the administrators. [Also one of the reasons I started the developer's handbook.] And where on earth did you get the `stop people' idea from? I am merely trying to get a focus here, since focus and direction is something which has been sorely lacking. And not considering more options would, IMHO, be very stupid to put it very blunt. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Open your Heart and push the limits... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message