From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 02:06:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853D106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9E98FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so15500531wib.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=BCjMkPBQvijJX609rOwigE7pSW9EvfW9CYhlpGMC6Sg=; b=RVv1eFDy3Sl8epSYuL3yKB9pdcchE7ndQUJDrIC9BJL/akgiwQBf1S4RxXKAz8YX4N UNaDvsqqHEL66x2nYmYt5nlsdFBc//8fZ4J3tWJtIIdHt9I7m8QhFKT4bF5cMuy/BoGX s8jAS7l0YRX0AegoAM/W/SUKHIVIYO9OPIjDo= Received: by 10.180.85.4 with SMTP id d4mr109496462wiz.0.1325556375022; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (78.Red-80-39-127.staticIP.rima-tde.net. [80.39.127.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fo18sm52793413wbb.12.2012.01.02.18.06.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 03:06:11 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:06:16 -0000 On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its > zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems > hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to > dominate its entire market niche to the extent that it eclipses and > marginalizes alternatives. > My two cents with other point of view: OSs need popularity; it encourages hardware manufacturers to write drivers and, even better, share the source. That makes the existence of Ubuntu necessary for linux and indirectly to freebsd. To blame Bill or Steve and appeal to the freedom of users is demagogy since the real dictator are the users themselves. Unfortunately, average final user profile is nearer to my mother in law (she obviously uses MS Windows) than people with professional specific needs like you and me. Negate or hide obvious FreeBSD (or Linux) limitations is the same error than making look Ubuntu easier than it really is or worse, make it look like something that it definitely is not. New users feel fooled or betrayed, that's why some of them reacts complaining. Anyway I don't feel confident enough to assure if this is a good or bad marketing strategy. I remember, in a very bad network curse I did some years ago, a young classmate that after seeing for the first time the KDE desktop disappointed exclaimed: But, It is like Windows! I think the better strategy at long term is to be honest. Other point to consider is that the statements done by who initiated this thread are a "goal"; a goal does not need to be "possible" to be useful; they are necessary like a projection, like an idea. Walter