From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 26 03:23:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7E016A403 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C1D13C474 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1FC1CFF22; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:23:53 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: qeprXemeZXLNDa6Ae214msAe9aUN9weBAzB+t80y9d+L 1172460233 Received: from [10.1.10.136] (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492E11122D; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:23:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> References: <45E0F697.2030005@allcaps.org><002001c758a1$a3ed10f0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <45E12693.9050206@hier7.com> <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24FF0A82-FEAB-4407-AA3B-45F0ED079A90@goldmark.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Goldberg Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:23:17 -0600 To: Ted Mittelstaedt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:23:54 -0000 On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > What your talking about only works if you have a large group of > FreeBSD volunteers that are willing to run the torrent servers. > Let's assume that only 0.01% of any population group would step up > to the plate to offer a torrent server. Well I can see a Linux > torrent network working because Linux has an order of magnitude > greater number of users than FreeBSD. But I think you would find > it impossible to recruit something like 1000 FreeBSD users to step > up to the plate and offer a torrent server. The population numbers > just aren't there. I've never used a file sharing system, so my understanding of things is limited, but that won't stop me from voicing opinions. As far as I understand how these things work, if you join a file sharing network for download, you are 95% of the way to setting yourself up as a "server". Remember, it isn't so much as a client/ server set-up as a peer-to-peer setup. There may be plenty of BSD users who already use torrents for other things, and so could easily add sharing of the ISOs. So the participation rate might be substantially larger than 0.01%. > Worse, the initial people that offer the server are going to get > the brunt of the load and you can't give them any guarentee that > your going to be able to recruit future torrent servers to lessen > the work on them. The way this sort of problem is generally solved is to have people make commitments of the form I will do X if at least N other people commit to doing X. Someone has to keep track of those commitments (I'm *not* volunteering) but there is this group participation protocol that has been used by various volunteer organizations with some success. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/