From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 21:43:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ACE137B74A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 16352 invoked by alias); 4 Apr 2000 04:43:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-stable@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 16325 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2000 04:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.227.213.90) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 04:43:05 -0000 Content-Length: 3999 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Barton , jon@welearn.com.au, Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, now for my .02 There is a group of people on efnet irc that have started a channel called #freebsdhelp. It IS a freebsdhelp channel, where you WILL get help. They also have a www sight called www.defcon1.org. Its mirrored in a couple places and I am hopeing to mirror some myself. defcon1.org is a help sight with how-to's etc. It is a bit incomplete though, because there arent a lot of people writing how-to's for them and such. I am trying to help, but, like I said, there are only a few people writing elps and such. Now, I propose this would make a GREAT help sight if it had more info on it. Now, I am not the owner of the sight but I am almost sure that the owner would appreciate any help in getting good docs up there. On 04-Apr-00 Brennan W Stehling wrote: > He is making a good point that the mailing list is a great resource. Many > sites ask that you join a mailing list for support, but typically most > sites offer current information on their sites and the mailing lists > simply augment that information. > > It is the opposite for the freebsd.org site. The site is a bit behind the > release version while the really useful information is in the mailing list > discussions. > > I personally do not like being on a mailing list for very long because it > ends up like it has today. I get over 200 emails in one day and send out > at least 20 as questions or as replies. It is not very efficient. > > What if nobody answers your question? What if someone does but you did > not get an answer for two days? > > I prefer to rely on documentation that I can find and read right away and > get the job done. I also like to print out documentation and have it on > hand when I have the box in single user mode. > > I find that more tangible and helpful, but the reality of the situation is > to wait a couple of months when the documentation has caught up and > various bugs have been worked out. > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > fortune: > We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? > -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Eric Ogren wrote: > >> so much for only one message >> Sorry for the ugly formatting; I'm trying to write a paper while reading my >> email at the same time (which >> probably isn't the smartest idea). >> >> Hi- >> >> > > Right at the very top of that page, in bold >> > > letters >> > >> > NO IT DOES NOT .. get your facts straight before you blow >> > somebodies head of for asking a most reasonable question in a >> > polite and alltogether reasonable manner. >> >> >> From http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html: >> >> 18.2.2.3. Using FreeBSD-STABLE >> 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list . This >> will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or >> any other issues requiring special attention. Developers will also make >> announcements in this mailing list when they are contemplating some >> controversial fix or update, giving the users a chance to respond if they >> have any issues to raise concerning the proposed change. >> >> Sorry, but I don't see how this could be any more clear. Our docs certainly >> aren't perfect, and people >> have pointed out some examples of problems, but what about the above passage >> is mystifing? >> >> Doug may be taking a somewhat harsh tone, but the stuff he is saying is >> true. >> >> Eric >> >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 03-Apr-00 Time: 21:36:53l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message