From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 14 12:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6985F16A4E5; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:14:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7C43D72; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:14:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590DB5E2E; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:14:10 +0400 (MSD) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313175E06; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:14:10 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k7ECEFOq059677; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:14:15 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:14:15 +0400 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Message-ID: <20060814121415.GA59023@rambler-co.ru> References: <200608101942.k7AJgOrB051336@repoman.freebsd.org> <20060811235619.G93570@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20060811220244.GC5237@rambler-co.ru> <20060811223642.GA21117@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060812005213.384b744b@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <20060812084253.GA8597@rambler-co.ru> <20060812123531.GA36569@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060813185551.GA15783@rambler-co.ru> <864pwfwpnm.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <864pwfwpnm.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Alexander Leidinger , cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: cvs commit: src ObsoleteFiles.inc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:14:22 -0000 --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 12:57:33PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Ruslan Ermilov writes: > > touch(1) is not an install tool. >=20 > It should be a build tool. It is used during buildkernel and > installworld, causing upgrades to break every so often (especially > when upgrading across a libc version bump, IIRC). >=20 It *is* a build tool, indeed. Build tools aren't special, everything in the set ${PATH} can be a build tool. Install tools are a smaller set of specifically listed tools. It's not used during an installworld; when you see an attempt to use touch(1) during the installworld, it's a sign of a broken buildworld (forgot to run it, clock ran away, etc.). > BTW, if you just need to ensure that a file exists, a safe alternative > to 'touch ${FILE}' is ':>>${FILE}'. Makefiles in src/sys/modules > which use touch should probably be updated to use this instead. >=20 Very good, I like it. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFE4GkXqRfpzJluFF4RAn19AJ9tH+uASBKKNU3jn2zf83OlFj6SNACdEKP+ 5I7y88y7y+yPeIFJMa0HecM= =osl+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1--