From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 17:39:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCCB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A769143F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a135.otenet.gr [212.205.215.135]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U1dPNX015358 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U1dNxH084869 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0TM1R0b008461; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:01:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:01:27 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Stacy Olivas Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Wait for me! Message-ID: <20030129220127.GA1568@gothmog.gr> References: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-01-29 20:20, Stacy Olivas wrote: > I posted an initial idea for the project charter on the list.. > before I saw your input.. It can be easily modified for this > organization structure... Something like this: > > 3. Organization. > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than five (5) core > team members. > b. Each of the *BSD family of OS's will organize five people > from their respective communities. A person cannot be > member of the core team for more than one *BSD community. Since I'm not actively helping a lot with the whole PubRel idea, don't let me cause problems or inhibit the work you're about to do. But... I'm not sure I like the last sentence of 3.b a lot. I tend to prefer thinking of the BSDs as one large group of Unix developers, professionals and enthusiasts whose common goal is to enhance, develop, promote and advocate "BSD". I already know of at least two persons who are interested both in FreeBSD and one of the other BSDs. Why would you want to restrict access to these core advocacy teams? > e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous > vote from all current team members. > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from > all current team members and a minimum of 3 votes from the > current FreeBSD project core team. I also don't like the way "core team" is being used to identify the group that steers FreeBSD advocacy and public relations. There is much confusion and a lot of unclear vagueness that is waiting there for a chance to confuse the unwary reader. The previous two snippets refer to "core team" but it is only the use of the word "FreeBSD" in front of the "FreeBSD project core team" that hints towards the team of persons that receive core@freebsd.org mail. When this whole effort starts working towards common goals with the "OpenBSD advocacy team" and the "NetBSD advocacy team" you will have to distinguish between the three teams too. What will the term "FreeBSD project core team" refer to then? I'm not part of the core@freebsd.org team. Advocacy is, though, a game that some times depends on the ability to communicate the precise meaning of what is being written, with sharp clarity and no chance of being confusing. This is why I thought I'd mention the possibility of "core team" being a choise for a name that is less than optimal. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message