From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 8 12:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25288 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obsidian.noc.dfn.de (obsidian.noc.dfn.de [193.174.247.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25283 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@obsidian.noc.dfn.de) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by obsidian.noc.dfn.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16708; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:59:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jens Schweikhardt Message-Id: <199809081859.UAA16708@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Subject: Re: ed To: sue@welearn.com.au (Sue Blake) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:59:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980909042959.50859@welearn.com.au> from "Sue Blake" at Sep 9, 98 04:29:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake asks: # # Does anyone here use ed? # Yes, but non-interactively. Here's a Makefile fragment I use to frob toor's home directory on newly installed machines. if ! grep 'toor.*/opt/home/root' /etc/passwd > /dev/null; then \ ( echo ',s,: /root,: /opt/home/root,'; sleep 2; echo wq ) | \ EDITOR=ed chpass toor; \ fi chpass pops you into some bizarre editor by default. This way I can automate the task. Just in case you wonder why the sleep 2 is there: believe it or not, whether a file has changed or not is determined by the modification time. If the seconds don't increment, like when the edit "session" takes only a fraction of a second, chpass thinks /etc/passwd wasn't modified. Ugh. Yes, I sent a PR, bin/4238 Oh, and yes, I also use the ed ethernet driver :-) Regards, -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.shuttle.de/schweikh/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) PS: Have you seen this? >From bgriffin@ic.sunysb.edu Tue Jan 23 10:26:05 MET 1996 Article: 16209 of comp.editors Path: news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.cc.sunysb.edu!bgriffin From: bgriffin@ic.sunysb.edu (Eli the bearded) Newsgroups: comp.editors Subject: Re: Editor 4 Unix Date: 22 Jan 1996 19:17:36 GMT Organization: gnat tang does a body good Lines: 121 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4e0nsg$841@abel.cc.sunysb.edu> References: <30F53479.1E6@gmd.de> <4dgnc2$qov@redstone.interpath.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: csws12.cc.sunysb.edu In article <4dgnc2$qov@redstone.interpath.net>, Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems wrote: >Rainer Wetekam (rainer.wetekam@gmd.de) wrote: >: Are there any good Editors for Unix. >: Please no Emacs and no vi. >What's left!? ed. >From the why ed is good file I saw posted here once: From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti) Message-ID: <1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Subject: The True Path (long) Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT Path: ai-lab!mintaka!olivea!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!patl Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 95 Xref: ai-lab alt.religion.emacs:244 alt.slack:1935 When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. Ed, man! !man ed ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1) NAME ed - text editor SYNOPSIS ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ] DESCRIPTION Ed is the standard text editor. --- Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED! "Ed is the standard text editor." And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!! "Ed is the standard text editor." Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed: golem> ed ? help ? ? ? quit ? exit ? bye ? hello? ? eat flaming death ? ^C ? ^C ? ^D ? --- Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity. "Ed is the standard text editor." Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!! When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!! TEXT EDITOR. When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard. Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!! ? 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