From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 23:45:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF3816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:45:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: from neptune.atopia.net (neptune.atopia.net [209.128.231.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFDA43D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:45:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix, from userid 1034) id 6B6D2616B; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:45:50 -0400 From: Dan Ponte To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051006234550.GA40260@neptune.atopia.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006221541.GA38659@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006224214.GD8320@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006224214.GD8320@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:45:43 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 03:42:14PM -0700, Murray Stokely was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:15:41PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote: > > One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's needs > > just fine. However, I doubt that will happen. >=20 > Uhm, it didn't suit people's needs just fine. It was total crap with > dozens of disorganized links all over the front page and second level > pages topping 100k as they had just grown larger and larger over time > and noone had stepped back to look at how bad it all was for someone > coming to the site for the first time to find any useful information. > I've had so many people ask 'where did all that new content come from > about advocacy and such?'. The answer is it was there before just > hidden in the complexity. >=20 > This is not the appropriate forum for armchair web design discussions. > If you are interested in tweaking the new design then join the -www@ > list. Better yet, you could have participated in the redesign > discussions there over the past 6 months. Patches will be addressed > first. Second will be specific suggestions about regressions in > useability (many have been fixed within hours of being brought up on > the www@ list). I doubt you'll find anyone interested in acting on > any 'I liked it better before' mails. >=20 > Thanks for Kris and others on this list trying to keep things specific > and constructive. Let's let this thread die on stable@ and move it to > www@ where it belongs. >=20 > - Murray Admittedly, having some of the more obscure pages come into plain view is a nice thing. However, I am speaking mostly of the increase in number of clicks it takes to get to frequently-visited pages. And the new "look" is another thing I have a few gripes with. I guess the good thing to do would be to take this up on www, per your suggestion. Ultimately, the goal is to make things better; I just didn't feel that the current ways of doing things are the best means to that end. -Dan --=20 Dan Ponte http://www.theamigan.net/ Economists state their GNP growth projections to the nearest tenth of a percentage point to prove they have a sense of humor. -- Edgar R. Fiedler --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRbcu8dUD8SpKFR8RAnyLAJ40sAEWd8x32sTQEppUvXlfv8ZdzACg1lM1 xO8uUXS/puBVo7i4EMOyfOA= =5HRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1--