From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 23 17:52:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF11065672 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5158FC18 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so458674bwz.13 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=R1UYd1DibMPDuGPjQXWU+wi++vRM5dx4Db3f+gSEH/c=; b=w1ZS+0/rhWYWJ0IlYsXZ6M9Qz0LZt2XYwgsPDDUzBKi+zAsgZASK7wPx7zK9gqs8t6 nlGWIk2oyiH3BR11TJE5VGPl8ZFa0un0qt7NUVkRor8RKbw6Rtj9KbakFO1f0pJFImO7 +a/vzWb04kgUjERydUdMv2ODRjay9CsIzim3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=U03yhU48pImJPbSHpN5B9RhwbMbBS3hOkufLBd2pUei+jjuwNXAjGC0q/ocwlv7vEE ItwzJbpBIEzG5mdqKGxVCwE6ExLAluraPUAWb5MISK/83ZDTzGsG+ZBmk5nZIRyJ/GpB 6PVNWuqlnnhEaKy9Tm8jm8aInrvEMV1LqLtP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.74 with SMTP id 10mr5925417bky.198.1277315553185; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.68.142 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:52:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:52:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: David DEMELIER To: Janne Snabb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New pkg-message[.in] guideline idea X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:52:35 -0000 2010/6/23 Janne Snabb : > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, David DEMELIER wrote: > >> I would do something like this to the FreeBSD ports, if you agree with >> me I can check every messages and modify them. I can also put >> something in the FreeBSD porter's handbook to write a "pkg-message >> template" > > I find it completely useless and plainly stupid to edit the > pkg-messages of all ports to include lots of equal signs for tty-based > formatting purposes. In my opinion the messages in the ports tree > should contain (English language, word based) messages, and if some > visual formatting is desired, it should be done by the upper layer > which displays the message (such as the ports framework, a web site > which displays information about various ports, or whatever). > We can take a long time to do that (we don't have to do it quickly), but it could be useful to standardize it for one reason : You will see that it's a message from the port maintainer/submitter and not from the program itself! Sometimes configure scripts stage say some useless things to the user. > The more clueful web monkeys have known to separate content from > visual formatting for several years, why should FreeBSD make the > same mistake the web monkeys did when www first became popular? > > However I fully support the idea that all the relevant messages > should be displayed at the end of a build/upgrade process whenever > technically feasible (otherwise they will just fly past while I am > having a lunch or whatever). If the boild/upgrade process fails in > the middle, the messages of successful builds/upgrades should still > be displayed, even though the end of the process has not been > reached. > I agree too. -- Demelier David