From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 12:41:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01D1106564A for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@sugioarto.com) Received: from mailserv.regfish.com (mailserv.regfish.com [79.140.61.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433948FC0A for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28388 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2011 12:14:19 -0000 Received: from pd9ec06ae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO yuni.sugioarto.com) (46959-0001@[217.236.6.174]) (envelope-sender ) by mailserv.regfish.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Aug 2011 12:14:19 -0000 Received: from zelda.sugioarto.com (zelda.sugioarto.com [192.168.0.12]) by yuni.sugioarto.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDF81BAC57; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:07:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sugioarto.com; s=mail; t=1314792452; bh=UjpsPJ8rR3OJMDppxlA+D02zMcflgWQGCgbYkSyb7Nw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gnfk2YZ2UvtmE17UjtIGLlAJ8k+2I33oD/zaLsFtv+kmS72kxLl3tQTZA5Ej+koQG ApQpFdTDhn/2uuowcerTJ9JAuJV6AGqVleQJKIY2kBHwrwo4370qrPsD40Fhjz31MY LBsA+qv0FxLA2TXXDPvnfjmxGH0hRRvyO174LE1M= Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:07:29 +0200 From: Martin Sugioarto To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20110831140729.24130ea0@zelda.sugioarto.com> In-Reply-To: <4E5D031E.2000602@xaerolimit.net> References: <4E5941D6.9090106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5BEF65.2010502@gmail.com> <4E5CAD9E.6050903@rktmb.org> <4E5CB49F.50806@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5CBC14.4080908@rktmb.org> <4E5CF1ED.2030504@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5CF417.5080503@rktmb.org> <4E5D031E.2000602@xaerolimit.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:41:02 -0000 Am Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:34:54 -0400 schrieb Chris Brennan : > the object is to show people *WHY* FreeBSD is a sound (and valid) > choice against the competition, we can't just claim we're better > because we know we are, we have to provide a convincing argument that > is true and honest fact. Hi Chris and all the others, I want to suggest that you shouldn't compare every single feature about FreeBSD kernel. You should not also try to lie to people about vendor support, because it's not worth mentioning, when you compare it to many Linux distributions. Don't tell people there are games and don't tell them that FreeBSD can replace Microsoft Windows, please. I like to advertise FreeBSD, but I try to do it honestly, because it will send the wrong signals. You should compare what you can *DO* better with FreeBSD. And one thing that comes instantly into my mind is the FreeBSD port collection (for my part). I've tried various Linux distributions for years and there is no such thing as FreeBSD ports in Linux world (portage comes close, but it lacks integrity sometimes). And that's why after using other OSes, I always arrived back on FreeBSD. The effort which is going into ports is amazing and (for me) the most important part of the OS. FreeBSD is one of few systems where you can have configurable up-to-date applications and this is what I need. And this is mostly the reason why I use FreeBSD. I suggest that you look at the applications of FreeBSD in the world. How people use it and why the decided to use it. I heard many people prefer FreeBSD on web servers (yeah, Netcraft also says so). But why? You tell me that FreeBSD has the best IPv6 implementation? So what?! Please tell me what you do with it, when it's "so great". Jails are nice, yes! There are surely scenarios where jails are needed above every other concept. Instead of telling people about "lightweight virtualisation"... tell them what others do with it. Many people are too dumb to understand technical or abstract concepts. They need examples to understand the features. -- Martin