From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 16:35:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B171065768 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF67C8FC0A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2470553qyk.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FNABaI8EcBP1JJL0lpJ2/LsV2KF3TmBuGhHcVxMvKMY=; b=nu15CeKiyI48yBwgtqC+BNn3xnK1cV3GYg9GymtcS11kWV2XdSel4xCAV6AKRPq754 SPiSfg1pVgCPHTQkcDFHjNtDXVPzZ/omDCaTZWijnWVrmcoux+24LR6Xly+11wOCgPKv SI+Vx2BkVXYdiRlPeieRBN+Cs7L6h5J9FgjzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PJnZVEZ9J/riDfy6vTV3/bgQzzcWN2xcrPUTkLmJMnFwGTZg4gBXA7gA9VZFODOHer 8f3Q/PB8gEEHERhpWtXc4teTxNN+ZSQfpkAjIqWqfMyPtBqu9+e5bjTZHC3re/tdUSMR iK6olzcLddp+uUzFTM8W4ID++/EZDjWUFjP2E= Received: by 10.224.18.202 with SMTP id x10mr1293507qaa.285.1300379744100; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.78.193 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:35:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IePC5GBxB5NXr1kq2GjsIS5cFnM Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Krutov Mikle , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:46 -0000 On 17 March 2011 16:10, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Krutov Mikle wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:32:59PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >>> >>> On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote: >>>> >>>> Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL o= ff >>>> in >>>> ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global >>>> default? >>>> >>>> Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL witho= ut >>>> having a configuration switch? >>> >>> Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL? It's the only >>> cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which handles >>> device enumeration, hotplugs, etc. >>> >> Hi Ivan! >> As for me, it is like a habit: >> I've installed Xorg + HAL for the first time; >> I've seen that my config is ignored; >> I disabled HAL by-default in make.conf >> :) > > Setting FORBIDDEN in the HAL port helps to avoid accidentally installing = hal > as can easily happen. =C2=A0The gstreamer plugin pseudoports have somethi= ng that > installs hal and breaks Firefox so any mouse click kills it. Well yes, that's one thing: if you use HAL, everything must use HAL and you can't pick and match incompatible applications and force half of the things in xorg.conf. As for me, I'm running without any xorg.conf (really, I don't have the file at all), all my desktop applications are using HAL and everything is autodetected and "just works", which is as it should be.