From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 18:35:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627AC37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BF843F93; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030205023537.ZAON3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:35:37 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030205022413.01d3e9a8@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 02:35:07 +0000 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Larry Sica From: Colin Percival Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030205021623.GP12525@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3C66FB8E-3873-11D7-9842-000393A335A2@mac.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030204110551.00c54680@localhost> <3C66FB8E-3873-11D7-9842-000393A335A2@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:46 05/02/2003 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 at 14:02:41 -0500, Larry Sica wrote: > > I do not have the expertise to do any hard core programming, does that > > mean i therefore should have no say? What if i write a number of > > articles, or am really helpful? Or maintain hundreds of freebsd > > systems? Does my investment seem less just because I am not a > > committer? > >This is a valid viewpoint. I've been wondering for some time how we >could do this. You can contribute other things than code to the >source tree, of course, such as documentation. But I don't see a good >way to include systems administrators (except in exactly that function >within the project, and opportunities there are limited). We've also >had problems with advocacy: some advocates are somewhat extreme, and >we're concerned they're doing the project more harm than good. If you >can come up with some good suggestions, we'd like to see them (at the >risk of Yet Another Bike Shed). I think the voting must be restricted to committers, just because there is otherwise no good way of generating a voting list. That said, I don't see why -core must be a subset of the people who vote in -core elections. How about establishing a rule that -core must include at least one representative from each of {bin, ports, doc, advocacy}, and allowing anyone to stand for election (provided they are nominated by a committer)? This would leave "control" pretty much where it is right now; but it would at least provide a voice for advocacy. Colin Percival To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message