From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jul 7 00:13:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02133 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:13:13 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA02116 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:13:11 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA17839 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 23:06:02 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sU6UE-000I3fC; Fri, 7 Jul 95 08:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sU67C-000209C; Fri, 7 Jul 95 07:38 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Proposal to change name of this list to a less embarrassing one To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:38:14 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199507060852.KAA02604@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Jul 6, 95 10:52:03 am Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1662 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Julian Stacey: > > From: Peter Dufault > > Has this proven to be a problem for anyone, > > Hacker is not a good word in Germany: Hackers is not such a bad word in germany, people begin to realize the difference between hackers and crackers. > - I have talked to numerous technical & managerial people in Germany, > (in offices & more numerously at conferences etc) about the benefits > of FreeBSD, their reaction swings negative whenever the opposition > overhear me, butt in, & say "it's done by a load of hackers, what do > you expect for free !" There is a difference between "it's done by a load of hackers" (which is perfectly ok and is the truth) and "what do you expect for free" (which is the real and only trouble for "free" products). > - there's a Hackers Handbook, There is also a Unix Haters Handbook. > - we have a Chaos Club up north `full of hackers' (to quote common > perception), The public has realized that the CCC and its "hackers" do something for the public in showing up security holes where the above mentioned "managers" would like to make the public believe there are no holes ... > - eg NC (Networks & Comms) magazine 6/95 P22 Col 2 Para 2 (my Magazines in general need to sell their product, and in order to survive they (think they) need to write in this yellow press style. It's not only the word "hackers" that sell, but also "sex" and "internet" - so nothing special about "hacker"! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ?