From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 08:58:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F9A844F; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailuogwhop.emc.com (mailuogwhop.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com", Issuer "RSA Corporate Server CA v2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE68B2F5E; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maildlpprd01.lss.emc.com (maildlpprd01.lss.emc.com [10.253.24.33]) by mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s6G8w5fw009397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:58:06 -0400 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com s6G8w5fw009397 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emc.com; s=jan2013; t=1405501086; bh=unmlkKMEdCS89hScrgl+t1C691g=; h=From:To:CC:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=oj9OWixkxTGMKh6E6lZPX1/C3p/m2Qtd2P7lBWY1PHrWNXiqXfXVWtMexdO0dfP3Y leYWJheft+A9farFqe5xAy1jfKk2AEfYhOpxRVGAc8LNvPFWbQ/hoelYZ19oQZkXbL NvrMde/d/9XPbAtmpphlT6FOvePcqdCOXWgJc54A= X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com s6G8w5fw009397 Received: from mailusrhubprd03.lss.emc.com (mailusrhubprd03.lss.emc.com [10.253.24.21]) by maildlpprd01.lss.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:57:51 -0400 Received: from mxhub29.corp.emc.com (mxhub29.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.169]) by mailusrhubprd03.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s6G8vol8015100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:57:50 -0400 Received: from mx34a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.118]) by mxhub29.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.169]) with mapi; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:57:49 -0400 From: "O'Connor, Daniel" To: Adrian Chadd Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 04:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: svn commit: r268641 - head/usr.sbin/service Thread-Topic: svn commit: r268641 - head/usr.sbin/service Thread-Index: Ac+g1AT+hJLO+BJUSs6eZAM/DWKYmw== Message-ID: <31BAEE0C-984C-47A5-AC4A-DCE1405C298D@emc.com> References: <201407150218.s6F2Itj8044531@svn.freebsd.org> <53C56BE9.9050304@FreeBSD.org> <20140715191553.GA31990@dft-labs.eu> <011a01cfa09b$928b4710$b7a1d530$@FreeBSD.org> <20140716050817.GA6122@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd03.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Cc: Mateusz Guzik , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , Bryan Drewery , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , Mark Linimon , Devin Teske X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:58:14 -0000 On 16 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 15 July 2014 22:08, Mark Linimon wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:13:44PM -0700, dteske@FreeBSD.org wrote: >>> destroying all vestiges of that environment purely for the sake of >>> saying "it's clean" seems counter to the UNIX pathos. >>=20 >> I think you mean "ethos" here, but frankly I like it better this way. >=20 > I'm a bit confused by this thread. >=20 > screen and tmux are interactive processes. They're not designed to be > run as UNIX services. >=20 > Why is this even happening? The mine craft server port uses tmux so you can fiddle with the MC console = later. Neither screen nor tmux cares if TERM is set when it is run, e.g. [midget 18:25] ~ >env -i /usr/local/bin/tmux new-session -d [midget 18:25] ~ >tmux ls 0: 1 windows (created Wed Jul 16 18:25:33 2014) [241x38] [midget 18:26] ~ >env -i /usr/local/bin/screen -d -m [midget 18:26] ~ >screen -ls There are screens on: 30081..midget (Detached) 3 Sockets in /tmp/screens/S-darius. Regards, Daniel O=92Connor