From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 17:42:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EF2106566B for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA59F8FC0A for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwg2 with SMTP id 2so685371qwg.17 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NZaCCgPlnb+krFTFWomUdvG4GpQ/KOOZ9CnDBhu8pRw=; b=ReIQk8RX0tYM8izdfHybi0ZnZQct4ahIXX7VUJr9IFT9Q3GLaWAKWPJuVHRAy+sy1O pjTqa34gTJhp0QKF4IOOEhAcMMo9xkhRRW9iSlBHut6IMgBB792sqKJ9xadG2VrXedMA 9a1AP//6ZYnEIARAO076rAixPKaLOEcUh24eE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.197.130 with SMTP id ek2mr537466qab.129.1314812523922; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.37.83 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110831140729.24130ea0@zelda.sugioarto.com> References: <4E5941D6.9090106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5BEF65.2010502@gmail.com> <4E5CAD9E.6050903@rktmb.org> <4E5CB49F.50806@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5CBC14.4080908@rktmb.org> <4E5CF1ED.2030504@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5CF417.5080503@rktmb.org> <4E5D031E.2000602@xaerolimit.net> <20110831140729.24130ea0@zelda.sugioarto.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:42:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Martin Sugioarto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Chris Brennan Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:42:05 -0000 On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Martin Sugioarto wrote: > Am Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:34:54 -0400 > schrieb Chris Brennan : ... > You should compare what you can *DO* better with FreeBSD. And one thing > that comes instantly into my mind is the FreeBSD port collection (for > my part). I've tried various Linux distributions for years and there is > no such thing as FreeBSD ports in Linux world (portage comes close, but > it lacks integrity sometimes). Sadly, recent versions of portage actually have exceeded ports in terms of ease of use and non-breakage. I would have agreed with you 3-4 years ago, but the status quo has changed. That being said, even though upgrades work 99% of the time without fault in Gentoo portage, it's still way too complicated of a system for most users to work with on a day to day basis. > And that's why after using other OSes, I > always arrived back on FreeBSD. The effort which is going into ports is > amazing and (for me) the most important part of the OS. FreeBSD is one > of few systems where you can have configurable up-to-date applications > and this is what I need. And this is mostly the reason why I use > FreeBSD. Most people wouldn't necessarily agree because apart from the breadth of packages in ports, the infrastructure needs a serious overhaul to be used by less seasoned Unix folks. > I suggest that you look at the applications of FreeBSD in the world. > How people use it and why the decided to use it. I heard many people > prefer FreeBSD on web servers (yeah, Netcraft also says so). But why? > > You tell me that FreeBSD has the best IPv6 implementation? So what?! > Please tell me what you do with it, when it's "so great". > > Jails are nice, yes! There are surely scenarios where jails are needed > above every other concept. Instead of telling people about "lightweight > virtualisation"... tell them what others do with it. > > Many people are too dumb to understand technical or abstract concepts. I don't think it's that users are dumb -- just uneducated. Many people lack the time or interest to try out new OSes that don't just work (tm) out of the box. > They need examples to understand the features. Agreed. Thanks! -Garrett