From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 13:23:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6EF1065672 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A846E8FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 637C446B38; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:23:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:23:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alex Keda In-Reply-To: <4B90D557.90504@lissyara.su> Message-ID: References: <619814.37821.qm@web59102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B90CF3E.2070508@lissyara.su> <4B90D557.90504@lissyara.su> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: propose: all arch move into a separate dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:23:47 -0000 On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Alex Keda wrote: >>> thus, it is not 'Free', this managed by 'consumers like Isilon, NetApp, >>> Juniper, and many others'? >>> >> It might be helpful to think of them as 'customers' who are using our >> 'product' and paying for it by feeding back patches and employing FreeBSD >> developers. Normal business practice doesn't include intentionally making >> your customers' lives difficult - if you make a habit of it they tend to go >> elsewhere. >> > It seems to me, business and freedom - are mutually exclusive things. or you > can choose the path of development, or who pays - giver commands to > community. no freedom there. Cute but no cigar. FreeBSD must ultimately be responsible to the communities it serves. Sometimes those interests are in conflict and we have to come to some technical or social compromise, but often as not they align. In this case, I think they align pretty well. Whether you're an academic building research changes into a network stack, a company building a firewall appliance, or a volunteer developer working on something that particularly motivates you in the network stack, you all lose if the source tree is rearranged out from under your feet. Robert