From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 07:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4F996F; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B4B1C8; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2S7ThTb078636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id r2S7Thma078635; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:29:43 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Alexander Motin Subject: Re: Any objections/comments on axing out old ATA stack? Message-ID: <20130328072943.GC76354@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alexander Motin , Adrian Chadd , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <51536306.5030907@FreeBSD.org> <5153EE86.8000801@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5153EE86.8000801@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Adrian Chadd , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:29:49 -0000 Alexander Motin wrote this message on Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 09:17 +0200: > On 28.03.2013 02:43, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >My main concern with the new stuff is that it requires CAM and that's > >reasonably big compared to the standalone ATA code. > > > >It'd be nice if we could slim down the CAM stack a bit first; it makes > >embedding it on the smaller devices really freaking painful. > > Are there many boards now with ATA, but without USB? But I agree, it > should be checked. The net4501 board has ATA but no USB.. Also, depending upon use, you might choose to not include USB, but use ATA, or not use umass, but the rest of USB... Someone on a list was talking about trying to get FreeBSD down on a really small system, 16MB ram... /me thinks of the old wd driver. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."