From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 5 9: 0:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDD537B426 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g35H0e609732; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:00:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:08:38 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ Message-Id: <20020405120838.0c274492.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <20020405164306.GA35109@submonkey.net> References: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> <20020405114723.767d28c9.darklogik@pittgoth.com> <20020405164306.GA35109@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:43:06 +0100 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:47:23AM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:59:43 +0100 > > Ceri wrote: > > > > > > > > As a result of the spamfest on -questions today (which I am, yet > > > again, partly responsible for), it came to my attention that the > > > FAQ is lacking a reason why mail to hub.FreeBSD.org may be > > > rejected. > > > > > > I've tried to knock up a patch for this, but DNS and I are too > > > familiar for me to able to do it properly - I don't think people > > > will understand the answer, and I need someone to knock it into > > > shape. > > > > > Its a wonderful attempt! Let me add one thing, just say what you > > want to say in a very understandable mannor: > > Thanks > > > ``Mail sent from your personal computer or networked computer will > > not be processed unless you have a legal (registered) domain name. > > Just making up one for your internal network does not qualify as > > a legal(registered) domain name. For email to be accepted at > > hub.FreeBSD.org you will be required to use the email address > > from your ISP or another email address from a qualified domain. > > In plain english, if you cannot accept mail to your computer with > > (whoever@example.com) then your email may most likly bounce as a > > result.'' > > I knew it wasn't clear! The problem isn't to do with the email > address - it's purely the hostname given in the HELO line : > > {setantae@rhadamanth}-{~} $ telnet hub.freebsd.org smtp > Trying 216.136.204.18... > Connected to hub.freebsd.org. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 hub.freebsd.org ESMTP Postfix (Postfix Rules!) > helo i.dont.resolve > 250 hub.freebsd.org > mail from: > 250 Ok > rcpt to: > 450 : Helo command rejected: Host not found > quit > 221 Bye > Connection closed by foreign host. > > Ceri > > -- > keep a mild groove on > Hostname, but if the email address (root@localhost) or hostname -s boared.com. board.com# mail -s 'blah' someone@FreeBSD.org < emailfilehere but board.com isn't a legal domain, then the email wouldn't be from a legal domain... I feel that my example is relevant seeing as how your correct, email address don't matter one bit, its host name. Why not give people an example that they would understand ;) Now, if i'm still missing something, please let me know and i'll get right out of this arguement. But I feel that, instead of twirling people around in circles wondering what HELO is, what HELO has to do with their email and hostname and on and on, just tell them: ``If your domain name isn't real, don't bother, use the email address from a real domain name.'' Am I wrong? If so, please say something, as you seem to know more about DNS than I, even though the DNS and BIND book is at my house, I havn't read it yet... -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message