From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 15:21:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0636A16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de (crivens.unixoid.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8831243D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:21:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4CE404C; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crivens.unixoid.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68264-20; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.38.0.8] (unknown [212.12.51.89]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282C43EE3; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43469268.9050101@kernel32.de> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:21:12 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Fazio References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <1128619628.83589.7.camel@station-20> <434627FF.2000002@kernel32.de> <43465E07.1000709@annulet.com> In-Reply-To: <43465E07.1000709@annulet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixoid.de Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:21:27 -0000 Hej Dave, Dave Fazio wrote: > Totally agree and understand your point -- a graphical install option > would mainly appeal to desktop users. But let's be honest; considering > the competition install base of Red Hat, Mac OS X, SUN, and (ech!) > Windows, the day of GUI deskop'd servers is here now; Purests hate it Well, RedHat has a graphical installer, but redhat also has a tool called kickstart for automatic installations. So they have basically both :) Sun has something similar for Solaris, I forgot the name, though. > sure, but it's a fact, and shouldn't be discounted altogether as an > option for modern day server configurations. > should be IMO still non-graphical as long as you have big serverfarms like Database and Webservers. I'm managing approx 1000 servers with some colluegues. Unluckily it's Debian GNU/Linux systems, but at least it's an automatic installation done via FAI (google for FAI Debian). I'd prefer FreeBSD, though. And I know that there are some tutorials howto do an automagic installation of FreeBSD. > There's no point to digress more on this subject now, but FreeBSD is in > my opinion the best of *all* general purpose OSs -- But to properly > manage a FreeBSD (ports/packages,source builds, etc), the devil is > definitely in the details. Apple has smoothed our these details in > short order -- why can't we? I don't know about MacOS X as a server. I'm just using it on my PowerBook for daily work :) best regards, Marian