From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 16:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6554811C; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [46.4.40.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B3191; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cd63:a817:556f:dff2]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ED9064AC58; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:05:11 +0400 (MSK) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:05:09 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <853249275.20130328200509@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Aleksandr Rybalko Subject: Re: Any objections/comments on axing out old ATA stack? In-Reply-To: <20130328160953.f0ca035403fb4b4adddfe6e0@ddteam.net> References: <51536306.5030907@FreeBSD.org> <20130328160953.f0ca035403fb4b4adddfe6e0@ddteam.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Adrian Chadd , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Alexander Motin X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:05:14 -0000 Hello, Aleksandr. You wrote 28 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2013 =D0=B3., 18:09:53: >> It'd be nice if we could slim down the CAM stack a bit first; it makes >> embedding it on the smaller devices really freaking painful. AR> /me never seen embedded devices with ATA/SATA and less than 64MB of RAM. AR> (i386/i486 old machines does not count :) ) AR> I'm missing something? Yes: USB UMASS. It uses CAM too, and useful for very small systems, like 4MiB FLASH and 16MiB RAM (yes, whole system image, kernel and all, should be packed to 4MiB). Please note, Adrian speaks about CAM, not only CAM + ATA. --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov