From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 23:51:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A6316A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:51:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5995E43D45; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id j98NpHK10458; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:51:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20051009095117.18246@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:51:17 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Murray Stokely References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> <20051008181333.GF6076@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <20051008181333.GF6076@freebsdmall.com>; from Murray Stokely on Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:13:33AM -0700 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Website accessability issues (was Re: new FreeBSD-webpage) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:51:49 -0000 On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:13:33AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:48:59AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > > I think maybe we need a few more ADA lawsuits filed against > > companies (and other organizations) for the crimes they are > > committing with their websites. > > Indeed. We have committers with all sorts of disabilities (including > blindness) and so keeping the site fully accessible serves our own > internal needs as well as those of our users. if that is the case then why is teh freebsd website as it is now so disabled hostile ? i've asked several people that i know who have different parts of thier bodies and brains damaged to mine and every one of them to a man (and two women) all, and independantly, berate teh bew version as being various degrees of uslessness from hostile to bearly usable. seveeral of these garbage (me included in this identifier) can warriors (we are all anti pc speak and do so at every opportunity so i am speaking/describing us with there permission .. for teh simple minded pc types) use old ibm pc's (real ibm pc intel 386sx cpu with 8/16 mb dram) have tried to use the site with text to speach software ranging from lynx on pc dos v6.0 and v7.0 and a novell dos v6 from memory. also several gui products using (integrated gui) operating systems ms windows nt v3.51 and v4.0, beos, GEM (very disabled person friendly, pity thier is no support anymore) several gnu/linux (debian) iterations and of cource various bsds ... we are an informal group that tries to find a usable solution that we can all share and build a good stagle reliable package that will enable us to have a 'blind fredie' type operating system that requires no thinking as we confrence call to discuss project issues and not have to worry/consentrate on our fingers falling over operating system 'troubles'. this actually is a position that all users of an operating system package should be able to get into fairly quickly and relatively easily. again if us disabled guinea pigs crash test dummies can achieve this then the so called not disabled "intelligent" endusers should be able to make a cake walk of off it well this is the conclusion we (us peer reviewers) have reached over some 20 or more years of on and off research. > The new site continues the move away from HTML 3.2 era visual tags > that we've been working on for several years. It is supposed to be the addition of java, javascript and some odd xml that for the time being lynx just (graciously) steps over, fortunately for me (us text console users, hampered or not). > more accessible than the old site. If there are regressions then > please post them to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org so we can fix them. is this going to be the usual humilliate teh messenger because we cannot speak/type the american english like a native ???? yes, i do have dificulties with english and americam varietal being teh most significant, could be because it changes so quickly and diferentially. as well thier are issues with oclour blindness (different from the usual red/green male eyes variety) dsylexia and damaged neurology. as to why i and those like me do not use the available spelling checkers, simple they are american based algorithms with dictionaries that spell most of teh simple words that we use incoreectly and the superposition of z for s is most silly as far as we are concerntde, it is most difficult to understand and hence to use correctly and makes using teh freebsd (and all american sourced/developed/uiltb) websites awkward to say teh least. ok, this is my honest and open opinion given the things that most significanly impact this disabled man with his journey through the freebsd web site. well the balls in yor court now lets see what happens this time. i am prepared to face being treated the way i was on several ocasions over the years that i have been a freebsd user in an attempt to try to communicate in as damaged a manner as i cam. i don't have much programing skills any more, i don't have any disposable income to buy cd's et al all that i can do is to communicate as best as i can that teh website is hard if not impossible to use for if not disabled people as a whole then at least this (attempting to vocalise the issues most as best as i can inspite of teh in teh past most hostile responce) time inspite of my history of much anxiety, fear but inspite i am prepared to make teh best of it so that other people like me can find the same level and freedom that is afforded when the person finally gets usable tools that grants them the ability to be able to communicate freely and to not have thier damaged body/mind become the limiting factor in ones ability to communicate as a free and equal human being. this might soudn corny but it is teh reason i persist because i am cogniscient enought to know what it feels like to have this skill ability taken away from me by loutish boorish bigots who think its funny to trample on another persns ... ok i hope you all have got the idea by now kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. 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