From owner-cvs-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 15:15:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1416A41C; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:15:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netchild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com (mailout10.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2AC43D48; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:15:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netchild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DmYrK-0006jG-03; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:15:46 +0200 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (XpWI+qZdreN29DL5EyqyqdA86ScyOsJOjmzW7iZqGBm9w8+KcQhZEG@[84.165.207.110]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DmYrC-0RawIi0; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:15:38 +0200 Received: from Magellan.Leidinger.net (Magellan.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5QFFXkY039469; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:15:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:16:23 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Michael Nottebrock Message-ID: <20050626171623.63802b99@Magellan.Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <200506261307.56772.lofi@freebsd.org> References: <200506172259.j5HMxTad068378@repoman.freebsd.org> <200506252143.03065.lofi@freebsd.org> <20050626035203.45aef307@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <200506261307.56772.lofi@freebsd.org> Organization: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.11 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: XpWI+qZdreN29DL5EyqyqdA86ScyOsJOjmzW7iZqGBm9w8+KcQhZEG@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 9d17eb55-0ce6-4d2c-bdb5-5a816ea56ba4 Cc: cvs-ports@freebsd.org, nork@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports CHANGES UPDATING ports/Mk bsd.port.mk ports/accessibility/linux-atk Makefile pkg-plist ports/archivers/stuffit Makefile ports/astro/linux-setiathome Makefile ports/audio/baudline Makefile ports/audio/linux-arts ... X-BeenThere: cvs-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:15:49 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:07:51 +0200 Michael Nottebrock wrote: > On Sunday, 26. June 2005 03:52, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > > I really have no idea how you're arriving at that conclusion. It doesn't > > > say "ports which use X11". > > > > The X11R6 distribution contains servers, utilities and more (libs/data > > files/...). Specifying them and then adding "local packages/ports" > > suggest to me, that not only binaries which come with the X11R6 > > distribution are allowed to reside here. > > PLEASE STOP being silly for the sake of argument! This is how I read it. Really. I'm honest. > I have explained to you why your change is wrong. I have pointed you to a > piece of documentation you didn't even KNOW about before. I have pointed out > to you the breakage caused by it. I've read hier(7) long ago. I'm sure this part of it was there at the time I've read it. If I had understand it the way you understand hier(7), I wouldn't say the opposite. I don't need to make arguments just for the sake of it. If I make an error, I don't try to put it under the carpet. I don't need to do this. When I make an error I apologize in public. You said I did something wrong, I said the documentation is ambiguous. Maybe my english isn't as good as your english is. Maybe I have a different POV (and I didn't made it up just for you, this is how I view it since I've started with 3-current). Whatever, please calm down, I'm only interested in technical discussions. > Now what's so hard about just saying "Oops, sorry" and backing that bit out > instead of trying to read things into hier(7) which just aren't there? Saying "Oops, sorry" is not a problem for me, as long as I see the error. But I'm following the de-facto standard, and as I already told here too much of times, the documentation is ambiguous (else we wouldn't have the current amount of ports which install into X11BASE), and results of discussions in a BoF on BSDCan are not widespread knowledge unless the official documentation is changed or a public announcement in a appropriate way is made. > > - As soon as a new way of doing it is published, I will follow it. > > It really is colleagues like you that make working on FreeBSD that extra bit > satisfactory. It would be nice if you could calm down and keep the discussion on a technical level. My technical contribution: This is the EOT for me until I see a portmgr approved commit to the documentation which clarifies the issue. Honestly, Alexander. -- ...and that is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7