From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 17 19:20:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11656 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11395 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23252; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd023234; Wed Dec 17 20:17:31 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07959; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:17:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199712180317.UAA07959@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Why so many steps to build new kernel? To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:17:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, nate@mt.sri.com, daniel_sobral@voga.com.br, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199712172234.PAA14402@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 17, 97 03:34:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Heck, I've got 10-20 people willing to be added to the 'FS-101' list by > > > you, but up till now very little progress has been made. Why do you > > > expect other developers to spend the 1000 hours of work add new features > > > to make your life easier when you aren't willing to spend 1-2 to get > > > things started. > > > > Heh. Committers outnumber contributors... > > Actually, only 2 are committers. You still haven't answered the > question though. Why are you willing to donate *my* time yet you aren't > willing to donate anytime of your own? What you have asked for is actually a hell of a lot more work than just supplying the patches... it's basically an explanation of the reasoning behind my FS worldview, and why I approach solving FS problems the way I do, and exactly what makes me think something is a problem or not. It's a lot harder to provide this information in a coherent fashion than it is to burn of a set of patches and say "apply these and call me in the morning". I have to actually block out a large chunk of time to be able to do this in a way that isn't half-assed. I'm a bit cautious here as well: if I say something that is half-assed, then there'll be something to point at and say "that's half-assed". This is very different, again, than patches, where the worst you can say is "hey, those don't work". I'm willing to open myself up for a critique of my philosophy, but only if I can present it coherently without making assumptions about the audience that will make me look either patronizing or technobabling. It's a hell of a line to be asked to walk. As far as donating your time... with the kernel configurator discussion, I'm actually asking people to *not* donate their time. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.