From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:28:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AB41065672 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A248FC1A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4A2r-0002z3-T9 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:28:25 +0200 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:28:25 +0200 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:28:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:27:52 +0200 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <20120820194313.GC23607@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20120821132643.GE37262@felucia.tataz.chchile.org> <20120821134623.GH5044@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033D0C0.4030805@FreeBSD.org> <20120821190500.GA46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E39C.3060700@FreeBSD.org> <20120821194208.GC46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E6BA.8080309@FreeBSD.org> <5033EC58.3000801@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBEC195413E04A1A5B8F3DBE1" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120213 Thunderbird/10.0 In-Reply-To: <5033EC58.3000801@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Subject: Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:28:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBEC195413E04A1A5B8F3DBE1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21/08/2012 22:15, Doug Barton wrote: > And in this case, it doesn't matter how awesome the new tools are, they= > are a MAJOR paradigm shift for how users interact with ports, and we ar= e Unless I've missed something, pkgng is actually *zero* paradigm shift for users familiar with *ports*, and here's why: people using ports can and will continue to use ports the way they are used to. AFAIK, the infrastructure which registers port installation is already there and there are also patches for portupgrade and portmaster which make them interact nicely with the new package database. The only important aspect of this is that the actual package database format changed (IMO, immensely for the better) and there are several other port management utilities which may need to be changed. People who got used to manually altering the old text-based package database will learn either not to do it anymore, since whole classes of errors have now become impossible to have, or learn how to do it with the new format.= Can you explain what you mean as the "paradigm shift" for ports users her= e? OTOH, people using *binary packages* (the very few and miserable users that they are since the old binary package infrastructure has sucked for the last decade or so), will get their world turned upside down, but for the better, and hopefully grow in numbers. --------------enigBEC195413E04A1A5B8F3DBE1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA00FAACgkQ/QjVBj3/HSyh/gCgg4LFb6NrYNtb7/anOM4TsLnq Cl4AnApi/u0sEPxfWjHcfSyJj2XS3jsm =wOdV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBEC195413E04A1A5B8F3DBE1--