From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 04:53:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F244016A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 04:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vivaldi.meteo.fr (vivaldi.meteo.fr [137.129.28.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EFF43FE9 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 04:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from igor.pokrovsky@cnrm.meteo.fr) Received: from cti825.cnrm.meteo.fr (localhost.meteo.fr [127.0.0.1]) LAA25048 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:52:57 GMT Received: from xdata.cnrm.meteo.fr (xdata.cnrm.meteo.fr [137.129.150.2]) NAA10277 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:52:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr (exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr [137.129.157.46]) by xdata.cnrm.meteo.fr with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_24419)/8.7.1) id NAA21258 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:53:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h81BpTB3000298 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:51:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pokrovsi@exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr) Received: (from pokrovsi@localhost) by exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h81BpTIm000297 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:51:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:51:29 +0200 From: Igor Pokrovsky To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030901115129.GA278@exmatis1.cnrm.meteo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <29508631.20030901165843@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <29508631.20030901165843@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Accept-Language: ru X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (cti825/CNRM) Organization: METEO FRANCE(CNRM) Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Igor Pokrovsky List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:53:07 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:58:43PM +0700, Denis Troshin wrote: > Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This > 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other > unix-systems) to an ugly monster. What you propose? > For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install > require them. Then don't install those packages :) > Does exist a programming under unix without these dependencies? > > P.S. Under Windows it is possible to write not bad applications which > depend just on libraries (KERNEL32, USER32, GDI32). And these libs > exist on every base system!!! > Is it possible in unix? It is possible to write not bad application which will depend only on libc.so > Before I thought that unix programs very compact, but they are huge! Depends what programs do you mean. P.S. This discussing really belongs to chat ;-) -- Real World, The n.: 1. In programming, those institutions at which programming may be used in the same sentence as FORTRAN, COBOL, RPG, IBM, etc. 2. To programmers, the location of non-programmers and activities not related to programming. 3. A universe in which the standard dress is shirt and tie and in which a person's working hours are defined as 9 to 5. 4. The location of the status quo. 5. Anywhere outside a university. "Poor fellow, he's left MIT and gone into the real world." Used pejoratively by those not in residence there. In conversation, talking of someone who has entered the real world is not unlike talking about a deceased person.