From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 21:02:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2108F16A41F; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181B543D70; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:01:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBML1aQb080835; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id jBML1GTJ043717; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id jBML1GWT043716; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:01:16 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20051222210116.GG39174@svcolo.com> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> <43A4A557.3010600@mac.com> <43A53215.8090001@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20051218171308.GA20557@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051218171308.GA20557@xor.obsecurity.org> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:10:56 +0000 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Matthew Seaman , current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:02:09 -0000 > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:55:33AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Doesn't creating a binary updates system that's going to be practical to use > > require implementation of that old and exceedingly bikesheddable subject: > > packaging > > up the base system? On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:13:09PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > No, after all the *existing* binary update systems don't require > packaging of the base system. None of which work properly in production environments. They work fine for home computers running GENERIC, and who can sustain some downtime for upgrade failures. And they are all completely un-auditable. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation