From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 21:30:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2A16A41F; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:30:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CACA43D45; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jBMLUfA1006361; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:30:41 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id jBMLUfPX006360; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:30:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:30:41 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Jo Rhett Message-ID: <20051222213041.GA5746@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217215434.GB92180@svcolo.com> <20051217220807.GA28741@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20051222211019.GI39174@svcolo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051222211019.GI39174@svcolo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Cc: Wilko Bulte , stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:30:57 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:10:19PM -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:08:07PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > So, when will you fix it? Or hire someone to fix it? FreeBSD after > > all is mostly a volunteer operation. > =20 > I and many others have offered to work on this. The core team has > repeatedly stated that they won't integrate the efforts, which makes > os-upgrade capability minimal and easily broken. (see current efforts) This statement makes no sense. The core team wouldn't have much to do with this other than possibly being involved in making any service official. Also, approval is never given to include a non-existent feature. Easy, binary updates sound like a great idea, but without seeing actual code thats all anyone can say other than offering advice. If volunteering is conditional on acceptance of the work, that's a chicken-egg problem and is not resolvable. We simply can't maintain quality if we accept non-existent code just because the idea sounds good. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDqxsAXY6L6fI4GtQRAqM4AJ9PNtHWGQ7GkdqoUuaR/WpI0LSnUwCdHQje gx1cWPr0p5dYmc8ImDs6Yt4= =9bQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/--