From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 23:00:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CDC1065676 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ADD8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBNMbK8f036702; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mBNMb6ZY052446; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnbsd.hudson-trading.com.neville-neil.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBNMb61l013859; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:05 -0500 Message-ID: <7i7i5q34dq.wl%gnn@neville-neil.com> From: gnn@freebsd.org To: Sam Leffler In-Reply-To: <495141BA.9010208@freebsd.org> References: <20081222214010.GA18389@elvis.mu.org> <20081223162336.GA77652@rink.nu> <20081223163739.GF42864@freebie.xs4all.nl> <495124E0.4090108@freebsd.org> <554D5F07-3108-45EB-AE9A-B177E79B0964@elvandar.org> <495141BA.9010208@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.10 () [Tag at 5.00] COMBINED_FROM X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2806779 - bab5383050af X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: Remko Lodder , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2 (usb4bsd) to become default in 2 weeks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:00:46 -0000 At Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:53:30 -0800, Sam Leffler wrote: > > I'll offer a different POV. I think we should switch ASAP and resolve > open issues (so long as the old code is kept around for folks to fall > back on). We cannot ship 8.0 w/ 2 stacks and delaying the inevitable > will only leave unknown issues closer to the release date and > potentially delay/extend the release process. I said this when the code > was first committed and feel even more strongly now. Of course all this > depends on developers stepping up and fixing problems. IMO we cannot > depend on this code if it is treated purely as vendor-contributed code. > > The only reason I can see for not switching are important regressions in > functionality (both in the kernel and user programs) or security issues. > It sounds like there are reasons to not switch now but I think we need > to move ASAP. > Much as I hate to do this in email: Me too! Later, George