From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Mar 4 6:35:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pickup6-ld.pvd.loa.net (pickup.loa.com [199.171.167.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1BAA37B405 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27530 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2002 14:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pretorian) (208.130.43.221) by pickup6-ld.pvd.loa.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 14:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c1c389$e0753c80$37b4a8c0@pretorian> From: "Brent" To: "Kenneth Wayne Culver" , "Brian T.Schellenberger" Cc: "Justin L. Boss" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: Subject: Re: NVIDIA 3D FreeBSD Drivers Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:35:48 -0500 Organization: Log On America MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When is this going to happen ...I have a gforce2mx and KDE and it works great ...but i cant play any 3d games like quake3 for example.. Does anyone have any idea when theres going to be some sort of 3d support for nvidia cards ?? I know its been talked about .. I much rather use my FBSD box than a win box.. Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Wayne Culver" To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" Cc: "Justin L. Boss" ; "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: NVIDIA 3D FreeBSD Drivers > > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: > > > On Sunday 03 March 2002 09:53 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > > > I don't think I'm missing your point, I just disagree with it. > > > > > > > > Instead of fighting for FreeBSD I'd rather fight for open source > > > > software, and the nvidia Linux "solution" is to include Linux in their > > > > closed-source world. You want them to include FreeBSD in their > > > > closed-source world as well. > > > > > > > > This seems more like betrayal to the cause than fighting for the cause to > > > > me, and I, for one, am not going to fight for that. > > > > > > > > A petition for them to release their information so that FreeBSD *and* > > > > other O/S's could take advantage of their hardware--*that*, I would > > > > support. > > > > > > > > But not this. > > > > > > So let me get this straight... You would rather wait for something that is > > > never going to happen than see usable 3d drivers come out for > > > FreeBSD. This is unrealistic. Nvidia is legally unable to release source > > > for their drivers, and I think we should be happy that they want to > > > support FreeBSD at all. There is no legal or moral obligation for them to > > > release specs for their cards or open-source drivers. The fact that they > > > are releasing drivers at all is enough for me (and most other people that > > > actually want to USE the 3d support that they paid for.) > > > > True. > > > > And I'm under no legal or moral obligation to buy their products as long as > > they insist on sticking with proprietary solutions. > > > > I still find this "legal obligation" not to release them to be so much > > gobbly-gook: They *chose* to use solutions that were so encumbered, and I > > *choose* to avoid them as a result. > > > > I'd be happy to encourage them to pursue other strategies. I don't want to > > join some movement to beg the corporacracy to drop some scraps in our bowl, > > too. I'm not going to prostitute myself that way. > > > > I do all my prostitution on company time instead :-) > > > > [I really don't think of myself as being nearly as much of an open-source > > radical as I seem to be coming across in this little debate, but I guess I > > wish that we could have enough pride in what FreeBSD has accomplished as a > > freeware project that we wouldn't let the attractiveness of a slightly > > smoother curve on the blast from the frag granade have us all begging to be > > treated just like the "big boys" of the O/S's.] > > > > [[Really, I never I knew I felt this strongly about it before . . . ]] > > basically I got my video card for free. I don't want to pay for another > card. I'd much rather get 3d drivers for the card I have. > > Ken > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message