From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 2 11:44:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A771065674; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF448FC12; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2841845iah.13 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 03:44:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nyExwKb6ucUgbYPlzejNJV7GQYUbmtQjg09KsnuhDUI=; b=zSrbbYmorTDVjRR9FkE8AvxHjrb9oOd/UtGscHLVcVuA+NZew18eeRO5A7dmYUyGOi EQgezHxxMawXg1zUkl9CmqWCVo12DHikTchl3n1NrRccYBrNEI1oqD78TiiFJBZd9dFL zSwociE2cJP0bQmIdkWU6OI2Pq0j/0RnjN1Rqsqda2Rr1NjRboMcLW41a8y+O8IRAVMr IJzVMVa7r3+AUESbh6LpLaJ9DExxpWYoPpi8ZF8mT7SMQ8FYH3hn3uSEFXMIFCeHLKdw xLU2Cksr0R22GGXCyX637eb5p0qxRB2iiyUmJg5KBtv0CSxh/nvTvk2hEfNXTQBJevGr fKvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.2 with SMTP id rc2mr1180220igb.22.1330688694146; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 03:44:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.134.106 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 03:44:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:44:54 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BGzEuE3oH5tFRWJveDZjpVsejio Message-ID: From: "K. Macy" To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, Steve Wills , =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= , Arnaud Lacombe , Alexander Leidinger , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:44:55 -0000 > Apparently you've missed all the times that I've given that exact advice. :) > > But your analogy is severely flawed. Flowtable was an experimental > feature that theoretically might have increased performance for some > work flows, but turned out to be fatally flawed. The ports system is an > essential part of the FreeBSD operating *system*, depended on by > virtually 100% of FreeBSD users. Certainly fatally flawed without any user support. Just as many new features have been. > Users don't have any obligation to help us debug new/experimental features. Correct. However, I'm not sure the analogy is flawed. I am, to some degree, guilty of the same sin. I now run Ubuntu and have never had a single problem keeping my package system up date, in stark contrast to my experiences of slow and nightmarishly error-ridden port updates. I know there are users who have operated without such problems. It is entirely possible that they're simply smarter than I am. I similarly feel no compunction to use a FreeBSD feature (the ports system) that I can't rely on. Cheers