From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 06:03:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A85316A403 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn@datalinktech.com.au) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B218C44026 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:03:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidn@datalinktech.com.au) Received: from 203-206-162-119.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO mail.datalinktech.com.au) ([203.206.162.119]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 12 May 2006 13:57:54 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,118,1146412800"; d="scan'208"; a="777811928:sNHT6517669704" Received: from [192.168.4.232] ([192.168.4.232]) by mail.datalinktech.com.au with esmtp; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:57:50 +1000 id 0018D8DE.446423DE.0000E2C8 Message-ID: <446423D0.8040509@datalinktech.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:57:36 +1000 From: David Nugent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. T. farmer" References: <44600A42.7030600@samsco.org> <44601F4A.9070802@elischer.org> <446021DE.6040507@rogers.com> <20060511210912.GA1344@zaphod.nitro.dk> <4463DC96.70908@rogers.com> <446402BB.7050201@alumni.rice.edu> <44640422.1000006@rogers.com> <44641D1C.2070106@goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <44641D1C.2070106@goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 Released X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:03:09 -0000 J. T. farmer wrote: > Mike Jakubik wrote: > >> Jonathan Noack wrote: >> >>> The *entire* errata page was from 6.0; it was a mistake. This wasn't >>> some "put on the rose-colored classes and gloss over major issues" >>> thing. It was a long release cycle and something was forgotten. C'est >>> la vie. It's always a good idea to check the most up-to-date >>> version of >>> the errata page on the web anyway, so it's *not* too late to update >>> it. >> >> How convenient. These problems needed to be addressed in the release >> notes, not some on line version. > > *Plonk* > > You've just entered into my "do not read" bucket. If you can't see > that errors occur, then I pity _anyone_ who codes for you... Or > perhaps you never make a mistake. That must be it. While I tend to agree with regards to poor attitude (see similar threads in almost any open source forum on the topic of "demanding" anything from a volunteer project), Mike is obviously quite passionate about and has the interests of FreeBSD at heart, and for that I cannot blame him at all. He seems to have a disagreement with handling of the release process, which is the same recurring issue every time there is a release and probably the #1 cause of burnout with the Release Engineer of the day. Historically, you can see that the current process works though, even if it may not produce the 100% perfect -RELEASE it at least guards against more serious problems that have happened in the past that were introduced by last minute and untested changes. Regards, David PS: cc -hackers removed