From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 1 16:27:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11CB16A4CE for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from faceman.servitor.co.uk (faceman.servitor.co.uk [80.71.15.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A98843D41 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:27:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wiggy@servitor.co.uk) Received: from wiggy by faceman.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.30) id 1COf1u-0001Y3-L2; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:27:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:27:38 +0000 From: Paul Robinson To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20041101162738.GE95472@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20041031105926.4f06b06f.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> <200411011532.iA1FWY5s004173@dyson.jdyson.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041101083738.053d32e8@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041101083738.053d32e8@localhost> Sender: Paul Robinson cc: TM4525@aol.com cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Ted Mittelstaedt cc: jsd@jdyson.com Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:27:41 -0000 On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:40:37AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > It is not at all useless; in fact, it is very important. If the > differences are not pointed out, then the GPL and its malicious > anti-programmer, anti-business agenda wins by default. If someone > preaches that licensing differences are meaningless, then he is > either unintentionally or intentionally pushing Stallman's agenda, > which includes depriving programmers of a decent living wage (see > the "GNU Manifesto".) We've definitely been here before, but I enjoy kicking Stallman when we have him metaphorically on the floor of the mailing list. Remember, GNU/GPL is about building community spirit, not about making money. You should make your money by perhaps going on lecture tour, or stealing from banks. You must not make money writing code, because that is evil and means code does not make empower the communist revolution and socialist uprising. You like BSD? Why do you hate freedom? I honestly believe, joking aside, Stallman's original vision was about producing a system for developers, not for users. He wanted developers to be part of a community, not part of some "my code is great, but you can only see it if I get 'X' back in return" circle-jerk. He has succeeded quite measurably, but I don't think his vision was ever meant to apply to a society where every home has a PC (if not more than one) and quite considerable computing power can be obtained brand new for the same price as a TV. Plus, playing Devil's advocate, BSD has its own faults. -- Paul Robinson http://www.iconoplex.co.uk/ "All I know is I'm not a Marxist" - Karl Marx