From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 17:14:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85C116A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2620A43D31 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD950E8AD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.232.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i370D9k3071239; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:13:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i370D8Os003827; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:13:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i370D78p006000; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:13:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200404070013.i370D78p006000@fire.jhs.private> To: Colin Alston From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Munich Unix, BSD, Internet User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:07:11 +0200." <40732A0F.9000208@karnaugh.za.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:13:07 +0200 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Autoreply from SSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:14:07 -0000 > Hooray for stupid companies! > "avoid SPAM", pass it on, whats the difference. > I know I'm all ears for that RFC on spam bounce messages... Maybe add legislators to the list of the stupid or out-dated ? ... "Unfortunately by German law are we not allowed to dump any mails regardless the fault found. We must return the mail to the sender." That was part of a friendly & apologetic reply I got from a Siemens postmaster, after I mailed them this week about about a `bounce' I got from them, when a spammer masquerading as me, & spammed them & bounced to me. I hope it's wrong, but doubt it. From a corporate perspective companies may also prefer to bounce all non delivered mail so that business partners know if something important failed to deliver. The cost to bouncer of doing that is low, though in aggregate it will add to time wasting spam. - Julian Stacey. Unix C & Net Services Consultant - Munich. http://berklix.com Mail me in Ascii text/plain: Html is dumped as Spam. Schnupftabak probieren: Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Surplus hardware http://berklix.com/surplus/