From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 04:44:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B7016A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:44:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE56243D31 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:44:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iAA4jlH2028060; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:45:47 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id iAA4jlfo028059; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:45:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:45:47 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20041110044547.GD23357@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20041109190853.GA9301@nunotex.local> <20041109203416.GA13154@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20041109224405.GA6932@tara.freenix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Nuno Teixeira cc: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Subject: Re: 5.3-R: /etc/ntp.conf doesn't exist X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:44:10 -0000 --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 12:38:01AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:44 PM +0100 2004-11-09, Ollivier Robert wrote: >=20 > > I just looked at cvsweb.netbsd.org and it seems to be a well documented= =20 > > file > > so I have no objection at all. >=20 > Do you mean=20 > ? >=20 > Actually, I have some problems with this file. Putting on my=20 > ntp.org/ntp.isc.org hat, I'd prefer that people recommend something=20 > that more closely follows the recommendations at=20 > (and=20 > related pages), especially having to do with things like using at=20 > least four or five upstream time servers as opposed to just three. >=20 > If these pages need improvement, you're welcome to join the NTP=20 > TWiki and edit them yourself, or you can give me feedback and I will=20 > incorporate that into the recommendations. >=20 > But we're working hard to try to make sure that everyone in the=20 > NTP community speaks with just one voice. At a glance these guidelines seem reasionable, but it doesn't appears that having 4-5 upstreams and having a file that just works are compatable. So long as we're not at risk of swamping a server like one of the AP vendors did, having something that just works is going to trump following the recommendations exactly. It's not clear to me that you can do both at the moment. IMO, it's really lame to say that you should use at least 5 servers and then only provide a stable way to access 3 of them. If 5 is the recomendation, there should be 3.pool.ntp.org and 4.pool.ntp.org entries. If you have specific recomendations to fix the file, please make them. Perhaps ntp.org should provide such a file. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBkZz6XY6L6fI4GtQRAtuEAKCV2rJORRZ7K91vFpTuZBpMbO+WoQCfWUR3 urIfFwudTbes9EL/PpnbvUw= =b8x2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e--