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Message-ID: <20130407074430.1e98811f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <1365332719.4069.99.camel@archlinux> References: <20130406213911.GB2802@schweikhardt.net> <1365285205.709.7.camel@archlinux> <1365285467.709.10.camel@archlinux> <20130407062158.08e1c3fb@scorpio> <1365332719.4069.99.camel@archlinux> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkXA/krEuccfU+oHHJKihP8NrJFRNpV9gvNnQYA+1KGfnjfF5VxBdMfqrv1TSLy8fCCit7j X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:44:40 -0000 On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200 Ralf Mardorf articulated: > On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf articulated: > > > > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg > > > > > > > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. > > > > Neither flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a > > > > commercial, before the video can be watched? Wicked! > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ > > > > > > > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or > > > > gnash. > > > > > > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR > > > > I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites > > that utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy > > Central" are just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use > > my Windows PC or Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and > > or Java "up-to-date" far easier. > > I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to > *nix around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run > Windows in VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's > Sunday noon and I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix > issues. However, I experienced less issues with *nix software, > usually I run into issues regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't > care about the flash issue, if tube videos don't work, I don't watch > tube videos and if flash should be needed for something else on a > homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage I want to visit. Usually web > pages for *nix are programmed like http://www.freebsd.org/ > and very seldom like > http://linux-audio.com/ > but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from > departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages, > e.g. from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed. > > If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better > programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause, > it's their task to fix their websites. This site: