From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 04:43:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E22116A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A15343D1F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:43:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041228044313i92002agmle>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:43:14 +0000 Message-ID: <41D0E45E.80601@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:43:10 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Broder_Mizz=E9rable?= cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need help *fast* X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:43:15 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Nikolas Britton >>Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:08 PM >>To: Broder Mizzérable >>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Need help *fast* >> >> >>Broder Mizzérable wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello there.. i'm switching to FreeBSD ' now '... i did try to use the >>>floppy installation way. but it seems like all my floppy's are 50kb to >>>small =/ ... so i was wondering .. is it possible to use a CD ' That >>>does already has stuffs on it but still boot it and download FTP wise >>>.. as you would do as on the floppy installation ... i do ask this cuz >>>i dont have any free CD's atm .. >>> >>> >>> >>I'm not quite following what you mean? You tried the standard tools to >>make the floppy's, like rawrite and dd? AND you did format these disk >>before hand to check that they didn't have bad sectors?.... I have a big >>box of floppy's that have been siting in the closet and every time I >>need one I have to go through 20 or so bad ones that have bad sectors or >>invalid media to find the one perfect one. floppy diskettes are junk >>thats why we stopped using them. >> >> >> > >No, floppy diskettes are definitely not junk, there is nothing wrong >with the medium except that it doesen't hold enough. > >I used to work at a large software developer, Symantec formerly Central >Point Software (ie: PCTools) The last floppy runs of PCTools had at >least 20 5.25 diskettes and about 15 3.5 floppies and Central Point >did their own duplicating. There was no way in hell that floppies >that were anywhere near as bad as you imply could have been used for >commercial duplication, the reject rate would have been too high. > >The problem today is that the floppy diskettes you buy in the >store today are not manufactured under the high tolerances that >they are supposed to be, and the floppy disk drives are also >slopped together. I don't know how the commercial duplicators >do it if any are still doing floppy runs, probably none are >anymore. My guess is the few people still manufacturing them are >using old ratty equipment that probably should have been retired >years ago. > >Ted > > > That is not want I meant to imply when I said "junk": I was talking about the mediums tolerance to time or lack there of. Go find a batch of 5-10year old 1.44mb diskettes and try to format them and then you will under stand what I meant by "junk". And the central points pctools (I liked that shell replacement they put out for win3.x btw) diskettes, try to install it now and see what happens. I can not comment on new floppies because I have never bought any, I have a big ass box full of old ones.