From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 18 02:34:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF9716A41F; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:34:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D4C43D8D; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:34:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBI2YH44002609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:34:26 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBI2YHHh088178; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:34:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id jBI2YEae088177; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:34:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:34:13 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20051218023413.GU77268@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217215434.GB92180@svcolo.com> <20051217220807.GA28741@freebie.xs4all.nl> <43A492B6.6050305@t-hosting.hu> <20051217232856.GT77268@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:34:48 -0000 On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 18:19:25 -0700, Scott Long wrote: >Peter Jeremy wrote: >>I think FreeBSD Update shows the way forward but IMHO there needs to >>be an "official" binary update tool accessible from www.freebsd.org. > >FreeBSD Update was written by, and is continuously maintained by the >actual FreeBSD Security Officer. I realise that. But nowhere does it state that it is an "official" Project tool (though it no longer seems to include the "this is not sanctioned by the FreeBSD Project" disclaimer that I thought it used to have). > If the only barrier to acceptance is that it's not distributed from the >FreeBSD.org domain, then a) that's a silly argument, and b) it's easily >solvable so long as Colin agrees. I agree it's easily solvable. I disagree that it's a silly argument. As an end user, I would expect to find online updates to Solaris at sun.com, Microsoft at microsoft.com, etc. If I run FreeBSD, I would expect to find FreeBSD updates at freebsd.org, not daemonology.net. A quick search starting at www.freebsd.org does not throw up any references to FreeBSD Update. If I didn't know that Colin Percival was the SO, there would be nothing to suggest that FreeBSD Update had any relationship to the FreeBSD Project. Computer users are slowly cottoning on to the idea of computer security. This is good. Encouraging them to find an apparently arbitrary site that says "upgrade your operating system here" does nothing to reinforce the concept that people should be careful about downloading software from "unknown" sources. -- Peter Jeremy