From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 08:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF2216A4BF; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07CC4400B; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h81FofQI049633; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:50:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:50:41 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Denis Troshin Message-ID: <20030901155041.GA68823@dan.emsphone.com> References: <29508631.20030901165843@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <29508631.20030901165843@mail.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:50:43 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 01), Denis Troshin said: > Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. > This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other > unix-systems) to an ugly monster. > > For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I > install require them. > > Does exist a programming under unix without these dependencies? > > P.S. Under Windows it is possible to write not bad applications > which depend just on libraries (KERNEL32, USER32, GDI32). And these > libs exist on every base system!!! Windows has the same problems. Are you seriously saying you've never had to download a vbrun*.dll to get a Windows program that required Visual Basic to run? Or maybe had to download one of the many patches that afflict the MS Java implementation? > Is it possible in unix? Of course. Most programs in the ports tree are standalone. 95% of the programs in the base system are standalone. > Before I thought that unix programs very compact, but they are huge! Some are huge, some are small. There are a lot of Windows programs that are huge too (MS Word, for example). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com