From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 27 22:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B895316A41F; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:14:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281DA43D53; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:14:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMENS2017417; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <43B1BCBF.1030503@samsco.org> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:14:23 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer References: <43B16DF3.2060102@samsco.org> <20051227175031.GB8852@soaustin.net> <20051227201654.GR63497@over-yonder.net> <20051227.140049.73660062.imp@bsdimp.com> <43B1BB50.1040106@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <43B1BB50.1040106@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, fullermd@over-yonder.net, linimon@lonesome.com, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys _timeval.h src/sys/fs/procfs procfs_status.c src/libexec/bootpd bootpd.c src/sys/dev/acpica/Osd OsdSynch.c src/sys/dev/firewire sbp.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:14:42 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > M. Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> The chances that any of the hardware that's running FreeBSD today will >> be in service in 2020, much less 2030 or 2038 is vanishingly small. >> How many machines that were built in 1990 are still in service? How >> many from 1980? How many from 1970? How many from 1967? >> >> > > well quite a few embedded systems from 1980 are still in use.. > (though the original poster was joking) Yes, 2038 will be a Y2K-like problem. However, just like with Y2K where old Cobol systems where not replaced with new Cobol systems, old i386 systems will not be replaced with new i386 systems. There will not be a FreeBSD/i386 release in 2038. There might be crusty old systems that are running 30 year old FreeBSD/i386, but they will get replaced, despite the innevitable dire media reports of the cost and risk of doing so. Scott.