From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 09:07:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3809637B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B4943FA3 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6HG75ju046957; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6HG74JR046956; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:04 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Luigi Rizzo Message-ID: <20030717160704.GA46923@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030717080805.GA98878@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030717033620.B51802@xorpc.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030717033620.B51802@xorpc.icir.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Things to remove from /rescue X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:07:07 -0000 On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:36:21AM -0700, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > This is a crunched binary, so space is really not a big issue (plus, > the basic set of libraries is probably some 300-400Kb, so discussing > about adding/removing components which take 2-3 KB such as date, > sleep, comcontrol, conscontrol is just pointless in my opinion; > just convenience should be enough to keep some things around). > > For ipfw/natd, i admit that they might be fatter than what one might > want, but then again they might be useful in case you have to access > the outside world to grab things. What do you save by removing them ? Build time, build overhead, having to keep src/rescue/librescue in sync with the libs it takes from (things like -D, etc...), this isn't kitchen sink linux, complication of rescue Makefiles, . P.S. ipfw would be a lot more useful if the kernel-appl API were versioned. It isn't uncommon for the installed ipfw(8) to not work with a random kernel.